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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 10:05 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Tony Lindsey)
Subject: Mac*Chat#083/26-Jul-95

Mac*Chat#083/26-Jul-95
======================

Welcome to Mac*Chat, the free, weekly electronic newsletter biased
   toward Mac users who are production-oriented professionals.  Other
   Mac users may find many, many items of interest as well.  I'd enjoy
   hearing your feedback and suggestions.  Unfortunately, due to the
   massive numbers of messages I get every day, I can't guarantee
   a personal reply.

  Tony Lindsey, <[e-mail]>.
  http://www.cts.com/browse/xxltony

  Mac*Chat back-issues may be found within any Info-Mac ftp archive at
      info-mac/per/chat

See the end of this file for legalisms and info on how to subscribe.

Any [comments in brackets] are by Tony Lindsey.

Topics:
Highlights Of This Issue
Editor's Notes
Advertising In Mac*Chat - Tony's Views
Timetracker Reviewed
EWorld Is Now On The Web!
Web Sites Of Note, Continued
Zip Drive Complaint Info
Scanning At Various DPI's, Continued.
Hot Software Deals
Mac Sale International
Quad-Speed CD-ROM Drives And Speakers
Online Banking And A Nice Web Site
Rebuilding Parameter RAM
Other Design-Related Lists?
PortShare Works Superbly!
Legalisms
Free Subscriptions To This Newsletter

Highlights Of This Issue
------------------------
  It appears that I have found a new way to avoid allowing
  advertisers within Mac*Chat, TimeTracker gets rave reviews,
  eWorld's Web access gets a thumbs-up, even more juicy Web sites
  are revealed, we learn where to take our complaints about Zip
  drive tech support, we are given some more feedback about proper
  scanning for a particular printer, two businesses that provide
  stunningly low prices for good stuff are revealed, Quad-Speed
  CD-ROM drives are reviewed, we learn that there ARE really,
  really nice computer speakers out there, online banking info is
  moved further along (and we find out where more such info can be
  found), we learn the fancy keystrokes for rebuilding Parameter
  RAM, a designer asks for other worthy newsletters, and I heartily
  endorse PortShare by Stalker Software as a real winner.

Editor's Notes
--------------
  By Tony Lindsey <[e-mail]>

  There has been a lot of work going on behind-the-scenes for a
  while now, preparing the HTML version of Mac*Chat and its
  back-issues.  These files are meant to be copied all over the
  earth to various mirror sites, which will then be linked to my
  main Home page.  I will be making the formal announcement in next
  week's issue.  If you would be willing to store the Web version
  of Mac*Chat to prevent overloading any one site, please let me
  know!

  ----------

  I never mentioned this before, but I've written many articles for
  the San Diego Mac User Group newsletter since 1986.  I know it
  takes a certain, special type of person to put in so much
  volunteer time to help so many folks.

  I salute the many, many folks who have been keeping the spirit of
  User Groups alive, and I'd like to ask if somebody out there
  could add me to their MUG mailing list for a few issues.  I've
  kind of lost touch with the grass-roots groups in the last few
  years.

  ----------

  I'm going to start including people's Web sites just below their
  e-mail addresses starting with the next issue.  It's not a big
  deal, and it may help somebody.

  ----------

  Ha! I knew it!  I've had a heck of time convincing folks that at
  least forty percent of Mac*Chat's readers were women.  There
  appears to be a prevailing idea that women are a tiny online
  minority of around ten percent.

  All you have to do is look at the names attached to Mac*Chat's
  letters to see that women are very actively involved and
  well-represented.

  There are new studies published on the Internet by the Survey
  Working Group that bear out my observations about women online,
  plus other Internet statistics that you may find useful.

http://www.zilker.net/swg/

  ----------

  I'd like to ask for help from any of my readers who subscribe to
  eWorld, Prodigy and CompuServe.  I'm interested in storing
  Mac*Chat back-issues on those services, but I don't know who to
  approach, since I don't have accounts on those services.  I'd
  appreciate some e-mail addresses and some guidance.

Advertising In Mac*Chat - Tony's Views
--------------------------------------
  By Tony Lindsey <[e-mail]>

  I'm very happy that I posted my original questions about allowing
  ads inside of Mac*Chat.  The letters I re-posted in the previous
  issue have sparked even more letters, nearly all of which are
  strongly against advertising in this newsletter.  I could easily
  fill up twenty issues with their letters, but I don't even have
  room in THIS issue!

  So, it's time for me to make a decision.

  I originally had the impression that I only had two options -
  Stay ad-free and totally unbiased (but continuing to do it as an
  eternal labor of love), or allow ads and fight being TOO biased
  (but being able to afford better infrastructure for Mac*Chat).
  At the time, I thought I had no other choices, and it was looking
  pretty grim.

  It now appears there is a third option.  I rather like it, too.
  I'm currently negotiating with several services that will handle
  financial transfers from all over the planet for the Shareware
  version of Mac*Chat.  This allows me to keep advertisers from
  pressuring me to write certain articles or withhold others.

  These services are part of a totally new category of online
  business, and I didn't expect to see anything like them for at
  least another year.

  I'm pretty certain I will be following this new path, and I
  expect to have quite a few more details in the next issue.

  Until then, I'm asking what people think about the concept of
  "Mac*Chat, the Shareware Version," and what you feel would be
  an appropriate requested donation for 40 issues per year of
  Mac*Chat with no advertising.

Timetracker Reviewed
--------------------
  By Leslie Parsons <[e-mail]>

  You asked about "TimeTracker." Great program! This is how I use
  it: I have accounts at 3 different online services, and they all
  have different "month starting/month ending" dates. I quickly
  realized that I needed to keep track of my time online, or I
  would get THE BIG SURPRISE at the end of the month when the old
  credit card bill rolled in.

  Luckily, I stumbled across TimeTracker, and I love it. I use it
  every time I log on to any service. It will track the time of day
  I log on, the minutes (and seconds if I wish!) that I spend
  online, the amount of time I want to 'pause' (useful for services
  such as AOL that have a "free" area) and the time of day I log
  off, as well as the elapsed time and the COST! (These are all
  editable later, by the way.) If I log on again later that day, I
  have the option of reopening the first track, or starting a new
  one.

  TimeTracker allows me to set up a budget for each online service,
  and I've configured it to account for the fact that eWorld, for
  example, is $2.24 an hour for the first four hours, and $2.95 an
  hour after that. One feature that I really love is that it has a
  "shrink" button that shrinks the active window down to the size
  of a stick of gum, and I can see the pennies (and dollars) roll
  by when I'm online. (Similar to watching a gas pump.)

  At the end of the various billing months, I print out my
  TimeTracker window, and print out the billing detail that I've
  requested from the online service, and reconcile the two, and
  compare them to the credit card bill.

  However, TimeTracker can be put to much more sophisticated use.
  It would be an ideal program for someone such as a graphic
  designer, architect, etc. who had multiple accounts that were
  billed by the hour. TimeTracker is highly user configurable,
  robust enough for complex uses yet easy to understand for
  beginning users.

  It is always the first program I encourage new online users to
  download.

  I was just looking through Adobe Magazine (July/August '95) today
  and saw an article by Harry C. Edwards, titled "Something For
  Almost Nothing," about shareware. Among the 6 Macintosh picks is
  TimeTracker 2.7.

  He's posted a page on the Web with links to the programs
  mentioned and other shareware libraries at:

http://www.accessone.com/~hedwards/

  Internet address for Adobe Magazine editors:
  [e-mail].

  Phone [phone].

  --------

  By [e-mail] (Malcolm Dunn)

  Here are a few thoughts on TimeTracker 2.7.5 and the upcoming
  commercial release of the 2.8, currently in beta:

    Personally, I find TimeTracker 2.7.5 a tight piece of
  shareware. It's well written, simple to use, and produces
  results. At US$25 it's a steal!

    The main window is well organised and the colourful menu
  buttons provide short cuts to most of the settings and functions
  one would use. Leave the full window open in the background or
  reduce it to a small window with only a few buttons, project
  clock and cost total visible.

    Records are organised by various columns: times, hourly rate,
  accumulated charge, project and category names. You can display
  as few or as many of the record columns as you wish, through the
  preference settings. When you are finished for the day, or just
  heading out for a cup of coffee, you can stop or pause the timing
  function with ease, by clicking on the required button.
  Appropriately enough, the Pause button icon is a coffee pot!
  Depending on how intensely you work on your computer, you may
  forget TT while it is timing away in the background. The
  Auto-Pause feature, once it is switched on, will stop timing at
  the limit pre-set by you, after 'n' minutes of inactivity. A "hot
  corners" feature of Auto-Pause allows you to pause while leaving
  your current application in the foreground.

    TT 2.8, currently in beta and set for release "By the end of
  summer...", improves on all its features and adds more. This will
  be a commercial release called TimeTracker Pro, with a sticker
  price somewhere between US$50 and US$100, and which will include
  a manual for use with a proprietary reader. The pull-down menu
  settings have been rationalised and many more of them are linked
  to buttons or boxes or records in the main window. My favourite
  new feature is Auto-Link. Links may be forged between your TT
  file and your application or applications of choice. With TT
  running, launching a linked application will cause the
  corresponding TT file to open and begin timing automatically.
  Clicking on the background will cause TT to stop timing until the
  application window is made active again. When you quit your
  application the TT file closes too. TT will show your progress
  against the $ and/or time budget you set. The addition of a
  Client column gives one a great deal of flexibility in organising
  how time charges are recorded. Records are easily printed or
  exported as an Excel spreadsheet, in both versions of TimeTracker.

    TimeTracker deserves a spot in the shareware Hall of Fame
  along with PopChar and many of the other fine apps which make the
  Mac platform a joy to use. One has to wonder why it didn't appear
  years ago!

EWorld Is Now On The Web!
-------------------------
  By David Weiss <[e-mail]>

  I thought you might want to know some more info about the eWorld
  online service.

  I have two accounts, AOL and eWorld. I have used the AOL browser
  for almost a month now and with only a 19200 connection things
  can go a bit slow. I have always watched my modem lights and I
  think that the reason the WWW browser is slow is because of the
  way AOL sets up their www access. At first I thought it was just
  because I had a slow connection until the eWorld browser came
  out. The actual browser is the same one that AOL uses, but when I
  surf the Web things load much, much MUCH faster. My modem lights
  never stop, the Data In light is always going and the pictures,
  sounds, text, everything, loads faster on eWorld then when I'm
  using AOL!

  There are now about 100,000 members on eWorld. eWorld doesn't
  allow different screen names, so each one of those accounts is
  one person. I think I will continue using eWorld as my main
  account, especially since the Web access is so much faster. I
  can't wait until apple makes a 28.8 GeoPort modem and allows
  eWorld access at 28.8! (right now the only modems at the eWorld
  servers are 14.4) With that speed eWorld might just rival a
  regular internet connection in speed. The price is right (same as
  AOL), but I wish for more hours with the basic fee, surfing the
  Web is time consuming, but it's fun! :-)

  I am a satisfied eWorld user. (Something that doesn't happen very
  often with me and Apple, many times I want more, but right now
  Apple's eWorld is just fine for me. When AppleLink is all there
  things should really get exciting!)

Web Sites Of Note, Continued
----------------------------
  By [e-mail] (Malcolm Dunn)

  Thought I'd pass on one minor update [to the info-mac and umich
  web sites mentioned in an earlier issue]:

  The URLs have changed slightly, though the old ones are still
  working "for now".

  Info-Mac:

http://www.msc.wku.edu/Dept/Admin/MSC/Macintosh/search_infomac.html

  UMich:

http://www.msc.wku.edu/Dept/Admin/MSC/Macintosh/search_umich.html

  --------

  By Brenda Daverin <[e-mail]>

http://www.jumbo.com

  I have no idea who is behind it. At this juncture, I hardly care.
  What these lovely people are doing is setting up a Yahoo for
  shareware. When I first visited the site three days ago, they had
  over 13,000 pieces of shareware and freeware available for
  download, either directly or via ftp links to several sites
  around the world. This morning, it was over 17,000. It's
  organized by category and CPU. They intend to include online
  documentation and a search function, but for now, all you get is
  the list of available software in the subsection of your choice
  and the link you need to download it. At this point in time, it's
  enough. Not too pretty, but it means Lynx users get as much from
  it as Netscape users.

  [It's very pleasant to finally start getting Web site tips from
  our friends on America Online and eWorld.  Thanks for writing!]

Zip Drive Complaint Info
------------------------
  By [e-mail] (Patrick Henebry)

  If you have clients interested in Iomega Zip drives I can tell
  you from experience that technical support for that product has
  *big* problems.  I still haven't received an answer to a query I
  placed on July 12th, despite follow-up by phone.  Although
  through some testing on my own I determined the answer - not
  every user will have almost 15 years of knowledge to draw on.
  After contacting Iomega the last time by phone I was told that
  complaints about support should be sent to:

  Iomega Product Service
  1821 W. Iomega Way
  Roy, UT 84067-9977
  ATTN. Rick Kaylor

Scanning At Various DPI's, Continued.
-------------------------------------
  By [e-mail] (Neal Sofge)

  >   **To print a 75 lpi halftone**  Because of the limitations of
  >   toner particles, laser printers do best printing 60 to 75 lpi
  >   halftone screens. (In Quark, set this in the Page Setup
       dialog.)

  Using PhotoGrade, I've been printing 100 lpi photos off a LW Pro
  630 for a year now. They look fine, "toner particle" limits or
  not.  Apple and HP claim 106 lpi as the limit for their current
  machines.  Using stochastic screening (like the StyleWriter 1200)
  should make lpi irrelevant.

  >   **Scan at 150 dpi**  This doesn't mean you only have to scan at
  >   75 dpi though. If you do that, you might get those tell-tale
  >   square artifacts known as pixelization

  At 150 dpi, you still get visible aliasing across high-contrast
  break lines.

Hot Software Deals
------------------
  [I get quite a few press-releases and unsolicited ads every day.
  I pitch most of them, so you don't have to deal with them.
  However, this one interested me, so I obtained some references
  (user-group editors) and spoke with them long-distance on the
  phone.  So far, so good - They gave it a thumbs-up, based on
  their own experiences.  After asking for a re-written version of
  the original message, I'm passing it along.  Please let me know
  how well this works for you...]

  By A.V.W. Inc.-Adobe Liquidators <[e-mail]>, a Florida
  Corporation

  We currently are offering to all Mac*Chat readers and to all
  members of MUGS (Macintosh User Groups) the following deals on
  the following Adobe Macintosh Software.  We have sold our
  software to a number of MUGS including the Nashville TN MUG and
  Corvalis OR MUG.

  ~~~NEW PHOTOSHOP 3.0 $179 for Mac~~~~~~~
  ~~~NEW PREMIERE 4.0 $169 for Mac~~~~~~~~~
  ~~~NEW ILLUSTRATOR 5.5 $159 for Mac~~~~~~

  When you see these prices you may ask what is the hitch, so here
  is how we do it.  We sell you the older software (one version
  older) and then we take care of upgrading what you just purchased
  to the newest and current version.  We fax Adobe your
  registration number and your invoice.  You receive the newest and
  current version on CD ROM and diskette, registered to you with
  the latest books and manuals.

  We have limited quantity so we prefer you order by phone at
  800-655-1675 or 305-730-4350.  We take Mastercard or VISA.

Mac Sale International
----------------------
  By Tony Lindsey <[e-mail]>

  On the same topic of cheapo, older versions of wonderful
  software, I'd like to point everybody to Mac Sale International at

http://www.getnet.com/macsale/

  One of the User Group editors alerted me to the fact that MSI is
  charging $129 for Apple's Original Newton Message Pad, rather low
  prices for PowerMacs, and $25 for a new copy of System 7.0.

  The one item that jumped out at me was the $79 for BOTH MS Word
  5.1 and Excel 4.0.  I consider this to be an excellent price for
  programs I like better than their later versions.

Quad-Speed CD-ROM Drives And Speakers
-------------------------------------
  [I recently asked for recommendations for Quad-Speed CD-ROM
  drives and speakers that were worth buying.  I received quite a
  few responses, and I would also like to refer folks to Adam
  Engst's recent TidBITS issue which covers the theory behind
  Quad-Speed drives quite thoroughly:]

ftp://ftp.tidbits.com/pub/tidbits/issues/1995/TidBITS#287_24-Jul-95.etx

  --------

  By Tristan Li Tom <[e-mail]>

  Regarding a quad speed CD-ROM drive, why not consider the new
  Apple 600e external CD-ROM drive?   Although I do not have
  personal experience with this exact drive, I have been very happy
  with my older Apple 300i internal CD-ROM drive.  Apple is
  including an internal quad speed CD-ROM drive in some of the new
  Performas (i.e. the 6200 and 5200 series).

  Regarding computer speakers-I have speakers made by a company
  called Reveal.  I bought them about a year ago at a Computer City
  store for about $45. (although there are a number of different
  models to choose from , the higher the wattage, the more the
  money).  I have been extremely happy with these speakers!  They
  sound great, came with a good warranty  and a 1-800 number for
  customer service.  Also their color matches that of my Mac
  exactly.  Another option for people is to plug the Mac directly
  into a stereo system.  All you need is the correct cabling.  If
  you have an AV mac or aftermarket sound card, RCA cables would
  probably work.  If you have a non-AV mac, then a cable with a
  1/8" plug on one end and two RCA plugs on the other end
  (available at Radio Shack) should work fine.

  On another note-Apple has just announced the release of the free
  Quicktime VR player.  Quicktime VR (Virtual Reality) is the new
  technology which allows one to pan left and right a full 360
  degrees and zoom in and out in a given scene. (Star Trek Virtual
  Tech. manual utilized this technology) The player is available
  for download at the Quicktime web cite

http://www.quicktime.apple.com

  Along with the QuickTime VR player, at this web site you can
  download a number of various QuickTime VR scenarios.  My favorite
  is the Alcatraz tour where you can walk around Alcatraz Island as
  if you were really there!

  --------

  By Linda Lampe <[e-mail]>

  SoundWorks by Henry Kloss (Cambridge SoundWorks Inc.) are
  absolutely awesome.  I was given a set for last Christmas; I
  would rather listen to them than to the big expensive system in
  the living room.

  Cambridge Soundworks Inc.
  311 Needham Street
  Newton, MA 02164
  800-367-4434/617-332-5936
  email: [e-mail]

  [They currently sell for US$199.99, which includes woofer and
  satellite speakers with stands.  You can buy them at the above
  address, plus they are sold in the USA by Best Buy stores and
  the 17 Cambridge factory stores.  The price is the same at all
  locations.]

  --------

  By Suman Chakrabarti <[e-mail]>

  Cambridge Soundworks has an excellent set of speakers, called
  Soundworks by Henry Kloss, reviewed in MacUser 5/95.  It has two
  satellite speakers and a subwoofer.  You can get FANTASTIC bass
  from this: the music has as much "body" and "depth" as decent
  stereo systems.  I don't own a CD-player: with my CD-ROM drive
  and these speakers, I have all the quality I need.  Plus, Rebel
  Assault ROCKS with these speakers in a dark room!

  --------

  By "Tim O'Malley" <[e-mail]>

  Any drive which works on your Macintosh should work with "AppleCD
  Audio Player".  The Apple CD Software (which is freely available
  off their FTP site) includes all the necessary extensions.  These
  extensions are:

      Foreign File Access  --> Allows your Mac to read CD-ROMs in
                                  non-Mac (i.e. HFS) format *IF* you
                                  have the file describing the format.

         Audio CD             --> The file describing the format of Audio
                                  CDs.  (The name may be slightly off.)

  Also, I would recommend against buying a specific CD-ROM drive
  because it includes a "nice selection of free CD's".  Personally,
  I would decide which CD-ROM drive to buy, and afterwards, see if
  I could acquire some free CDs with that drive.  (After all, the
  "free" speakers that come with CD drives suck.  I think most of
  the "free" CDs also suck.)

  Ok, so which CD-ROM drive would I recommend?  I would recommend
  the Toshiba-3601 from APS.  Why?

     1) The drive has impressive technical specs.
     2) The T3501 drive from APS got MacWorld's #1 choice rating in
        March (or maybe Feb. or April).
     3) I own a T3501 drive, which I bought last December, and have
        had no problems with it.
     4) I'm a big fan of APS.  Their service is unparalleled.

  [I checked with APS, and the caddy-loading T3501 has been
  replaced by the faster, tray-loading model T3601 for the same
  price. The current price is US$349.  This includes a 25-50-pin
  SCSI cable, which you probably have too many of.  If you already
  have SCSI devices hooked up to your Mac, I strongly recommend you
  spend the extra $9.95 to get the 50-50 cable.]

  --------

  By Martin Frobisher <[e-mail]>

  I got a 4X Sanyo CD-ROM drive from MacMall
  [800-222-2808/310-787-4500] for $249 that seems compatible with
  everything I've thrown at it, which hasn't been much. It does
  work with the Apple remote control. It came with nothing but
  CD-ROM toolkit, but I wasn't looking for bundled software. I
  think the same drive is available elsewhere, so maybe you can get
  it bundled with other stuff. The "brand" name is Hi-Val or
  something like that... I threw the box up in the loft already.

Online Banking And A Nice Web Site
----------------------------------
  By Michael Kaufman <[e-mail]>

  In the July 19th issue of Mac*Chat Bill Barhydt talked about
  wishing Intuit/Quicken might provide other types of banking
  services.

  You probably know this by now but the July 17th issue of
  Interactive Age

http://techwebe.cmp.com/ia

  had a short piece on Intuit linking to 19 banks to provide 'home
  banking' services.

  By the way, Interactive Age is a free publication (to those that
  qualify) and I recommend it. Also, their web site is quite good
  (I like the links to other businesses, like the 1000 top business
  sites!).

Rebuilding Parameter RAM
------------------------
  By Nathan Kugland <[e-mail] >, Redwood Coast Macintosh
  User's Group - RCMUG

  [I recently saw the following advice concerning incessant modem
  problems, and obtained Nathan's permission to re-post it.]

  Try zapping the PRAM-preferences/parameter RAM. This tiny chunk
  of RAM is powered by the battery on the motherboard and stores
  various settings which need to be at the ready while the Mac is
  off, like the date/time, monitor stetting, etc. Many times in my
  consulting business I have seen PRAM gone bad.  This has fouled
  up the Chooser and/or the serial ports, often giving messages
  like "<device> could not be used because selected port is busy" .
  To zap it, hold down the command-option-P-R keys at startup. If
  this worked, your text hilite color should be black and your
  mouse speed re-set to sllooowww. If this doesn't help, try Tech
  Tool. It can do a better job of zapping the PRAM than the Mac can
  do on its own. Then try disabling stuff in the System Folder.

  info-mac/cfg/tech-tool-106.hqx

  I write two monthly columns for our small MUG.  We're inviting
  any Mac types in the North Sonoma County coast (CA) area to drop
  by every first Saturday for our MUG meeting.

Other Design-Related Lists?
---------------------------
  By [e-mail] (Michael J. Sullivan)
http://www.hsdesign.com/

  Dear cyber-designer-types,

  Are there other design-related lists I should subscribe to? I
  have thoroughly enjoyed reading the threads so far and look
  forward to more.

  Michael J. Sullivan
  Creative Director
  Haywood & Sullivan

PortShare Works Superbly!
-------------------------
  By Tony Lindsey <[e-mail]>

  A few issues back, I asked if anyone knew of a good, solid way
  for a group of folks on a network to share a modem for occasional
  e-mail, Web-cruising with AOL and direct transfer of files to
  service bureaus. We discussed the topic in issues 76, 80 and 82.

  Many people recommended PortShare by Stalker software, and I gave
  it a try, installing it for my clients on an Ethertalk network.
  I'm happy to say it works well, with no problems, everybody's
  happy, and I came out looking like a hero.  I can strongly
  recommend it.

  You can find the demo version at

   /info-mac/comm/atlk/port-share-pro-241-demo.hqx

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